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”Joining the Dots” focuses on the many challenges facing education and how different approaches and innovations are required to meet these challenges, which, due to their interconnectedness, are also challenges facing all sorts of educational establishments, educators, parents and families, businesses and the economy as a whole. Co-hosts Matt Jessop and Al Kingsley, have discussions with innovative educators, business leaders, policymakers, and other stakeholders and guests.
”Joining the Dots” focuses on the many challenges facing education and how different approaches and innovations are required to meet these challenges, which, due to their interconnectedness, are also challenges facing all sorts of educational establishments, educators, parents and families, businesses and the economy as a whole. Co-hosts Matt Jessop and Al Kingsley, have discussions with innovative educators, business leaders, policymakers, and other stakeholders and guests.
Episodes

Friday May 22, 2026
Friday May 22, 2026
Al Kingsley and Matt Jessop discuss with Heather Rhodes insights on online education, its impact on soft skills, and innovative projects in India, emphasising personalised learning, hybrid models, and future educational reforms.
key topics
- Lessons learned from Harrow Online
- Highgrove's pedagogical model and soft skills focus
- Impact of online education on student happiness and soft skills
- Hybrid school models and scalability
- India's educational transformation and international collaboration

Friday Apr 24, 2026
Friday Apr 24, 2026
Building the Future of Education with AI and System Innovation
In this episode, Narinder Gill joins Matt Jessop and Al Kingsley to discuss the transformative potential of AI in education, systemic challenges, and innovative strategies for fostering collaborative growth.
Discover how the Institute of AI Education aims to support educators, students, and communities in navigating the digital future.
Main Topics Covered:
- The rapid pace of change in education and systemic challenges facing leaders
- The role of AI in supporting teaching capacity, literacy, and professional development
- The importance of children’s voices and equitable access in policy reform
- The vision and launch of the Institute of AI Education as a trusted resource hub
- Strategies for fostering collaboration and community involvement across regions
- The need for revised funding formulas, career progression, and support systems for teaching assistants
- Ethical considerations, bias, and safe use of AI in classrooms
- Engagement opportunities for organizations and individuals to support ongoing research and implementation

Saturday Apr 18, 2026
Saturday Apr 18, 2026
Navigating Education's Evolving Landscape: Insights from Andy Kent on Change and Data
In this episode, Matt Jessop and Al Kingsley delve into the profound shifts in education over the past 27 years, especially accelerated post-COVID, and how data and AI are shaping the future of teaching and school management. Join us for an enlightening discussion with EdTech entrepreneur and all round nice guy, Andy Kent, as we explore the challenges, opportunities, and innovations transforming education today.
Key Topics:
- Major changes in education since Angel Solutions was founded in 1999
- The impact of COVID-19 on school operations and mindset shifts
- Challenges with parental complaints, SEND, recruitment, and retention
- The role of hybrid learning and flexible practices post-pandemic
- How data analysis and dashboards are evolving, including real-time insights
- The influence of AI in reducing workload and improving decision-making
- The potential and risks of AI tools like ChatGPT and Google Gemini in education
- The functionality and benefits of Andy Kent's AI tool, Tilde
- Strategies for fostering collaboration and flexible work culture in schools and organizations
- The importance of human judgment and context in leveraging data and AI effectively
This episode offers valuable insights into how education professionals can leverage data, AI, and adaptable practices to navigate ongoing challenges and build resilient, innovative learning environments.

Friday Feb 27, 2026
Friday Feb 27, 2026
In this conversation, Caroline Keep discusses her work in AI, education, and community engagement with Al Kingsley and Matt Jessop. She emphasises the importance of accessibility and neurodiversity in educational technology. She shares insights from her research on fuzzy logic and the challenges of AI, as well as her role in shaping policies in Liverpool. Caroline also reflects on her experiences in teaching and community outreach, highlighting the need for more inclusive practices in education.
Takeaways
- Caroline Keep is a multifaceted educator and advocate for change.
- Her PhD work focuses on mapping out school systems using AI.
- Fuzzy logic allows for nuanced data interpretation in education.
- AI has limitations that educators must be aware of.
- Community engagement is crucial for effective policy-making.
- Caroline's work in Liverpool emphasises accessibility for all.
- MakerFest has reached thousands, promoting tech education.
- Neurodiversity should be represented in teaching roles.
- The tech industry often overlooks SEND needs in design.
- Shared responsibility in education is essential for success.
00:32 AI and the Drive Framework
03:28 Fuzzy Logic and Data Interpretation
07:08 Technical Challenges in AI
14:40 Community Engagement in Liverpool
18:57 Education and Outreach Initiatives
22:14 The Maker Movement and MakerFest
22:50 The Importance of Inclusivity in Tech
25:16 Neurodiversity and Education
30:32 Leading by Example in Neurodiversity
36:13 Shared Responsibility in Education

Friday Feb 13, 2026
Season 2, Episode 7 - Empowering Inclusion Through Data with Dr Nic Ponsford
Friday Feb 13, 2026
Friday Feb 13, 2026
In this episode, Al Kingsley and Matt Jessop chat with Dr Nicole Ponsford and discuss the critical role of inclusive data in education, emphasising the need for schools to listen to the voices of all stakeholders.
She highlights the disconnect between the data collected and the real experiences of students and staff, advocating for a more nuanced approach to data interpretation. Nic also explores the impact of AI on education, the importance of social capital, and the ethical implications of data use. Her mission is to empower school leaders to create safe and inclusive environments for all students.
Episode Takeaways
- Data in schools tells us what has happened, not why.
- Listening to unheard voices is crucial for inclusion.
- Inclusion should be a lens, not a bolt-on.
- Diversity enhances decision-making in education.
- Measuring belonging is essential for student well-being.
- Data should humanise individuals, not categorise them.
- An inclusion champion is needed in every classroom.
- Data must inform, not dictate, school improvement.
- Granular data analysis reveals deeper insights.
- Social capital is vital for building trust in schools.
Remember, "Data doesn't tell us why it's happened." - also check out the amazing Global Equality Collective from here.

Friday Dec 05, 2025
Friday Dec 05, 2025
In this conversation, Matt Jessop and Al Kingsley meet Mathieu Skulason and Mark Agerwala from Evolytes and explore the significance of improving student attitudes towards learning and how fostering happiness in learners can lead to better educational outcomes. The speakers emphasise the role of EvoLights in this process.
Takeaways
- Improving student attitudes leads to better learning outcomes.
- Happy learners are more motivated to learn.
- EvoLights focuses on enhancing student experiences.
- Positive attitudes can transform educational environments.
- Engagement is key to effective learning.
- Fostering happiness in education is essential.
- Student well-being impacts academic success.
- Creating a supportive learning atmosphere is crucial.
- Innovative approaches can improve student attitudes.
- EvoLights aims to revolutionise learning experiences.

Saturday Nov 01, 2025
Season 2, Episode 5 - Empowering Leaders in Education with Bukky Yusuf
Saturday Nov 01, 2025
Saturday Nov 01, 2025
In this engaging conversation, Bukky Yusuf discusses with Matt Jessop and Al Kingsley her mission to empower leaders and young people in education, addressing the significant challenges they face today. She emphasises the importance of creating child-centred schools, the need for flexibility in education, and the role of leadership in fostering a positive environment. The discussion also delves into the impact of AI in education, the ethical considerations surrounding it, and the necessity of prioritising well-being for educators. Bukky's passion for education shines through as she shares insights and strategies for making a meaningful difference in the lives of students and teachers alike.
Takeaways
- Dedicated to helping leaders smash glass ceilings.
- The current global climate presents significant challenges for young people.
- A good school prioritises child-centred approaches.
- Educators are facing increasing pressures and challenges in their roles.
- Leadership in education requires flexibility and understanding.
- AI presents both opportunities and challenges in the educational landscape.
- Ethics and bias in AI are critical topics for educators to address.
- Well-being strategies are essential for educators to thrive.
- Creating a supportive school environment is vital for student success.
- Passion in education can lead to transformative experiences for students.
00:00 Introduction to Bukky
02:22 Challenges Facing Young People Today
05:35 Defining a Good School
08:21 The Role of Alternative Provision in Education
11:32 Leadership in Education: Shifts and Challenges
14:26 The Importance of Flexibility in Leadership
17:25 Navigating Divisive Issues in Education
19:21 Ethics in AI Education
22:31 Navigating AI in Schools
25:52 The Impact of Social Media and AI
29:40 Addressing Bias and Discrimination in AI
34:45 Well-being Strategies for Educators

Thursday Oct 23, 2025
Thursday Oct 23, 2025
In this conversation, Matt Jessop and Al Kingsley are joined by Kieran Maguire, Lecturer in football finance at University of Liverpool, author of ‘The Price of Football’ and podcast host of ‘The Price of Football’ with comedian Kevin Day and BBC money presenter Guy Kilty.
They discuss the multifaceted role of football in society, particularly its impact on education, community engagement, and financial sustainability. Kieran emphasises the importance of football clubs as community pillars and explores the economic realities of player wages. The discussion also touches on the social responsibilities of football, the need for respect towards referees, and the unique identity that football provides to its fans.
Key Takeways
- Football clubs play a significant role in community engagement.
- Education can be enhanced through football-related initiatives.
- Financial sustainability is a major concern for many clubs.
- Football serves as a central pillar in many people's lives.
- Player wages vary significantly across different leagues.
- Football can be a powerful tool for social good.
- Respect for referees is a growing issue in football.
- Football creates lasting memories and shared experiences.
- The economics of football reflect broader societal trends.
- Football's identity is intertwined with community and heritage.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Football Finance and Community Engagement
05:02 The Role of Football in Education and Community
08:57 Football as a Pathway to Careers and Skills
12:53 The Resilience of Football Clubs
17:10 Football's Role in Identity and Community
22:36 The Economics of Football Wages
27:16 Football as a Quasi-Religion and Social Impact
31:12 Respect for Referees and Role Models in Football
35:47 Predictions for the Future of Football
